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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:00 pm 
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Yes, I agree, they pretty much take my breathe away.

Their condition and finnage is absolutely perfect.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:16 pm 
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I do hope that these fish are the progenitors of the long hoped for, freely available, captive bred Altum, that look as good as the wild fish.
This retailer is also offering F1 Altum
http://www.ke-aquaristik.de/Stockliste- ... ::457.html


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:04 am 
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400 euros?!!! :shock:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:02 pm 
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Holy crap....isn't that like $500 bucks ea.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:54 pm 
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Dirk Bellstedt wrote:
Yes, I agree, they pretty much take my breathe away.

Their condition and finnage is absolutely perfect.

Kind regards,

Dirk


Dirk please thank Simon for sharing these fish with us. They are awesome. How is he doing it? When I talked to him via email, he said there was no secret just lots of patience, live food, and luck.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:11 pm 
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The price is something that just doesn't make sense if we're talking a single specimen.

I catch it's for an adult specimen of about 18 cms height. Though this size of an altum does have its transport and shipping issues (high risk) it is still way overpriced in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:01 pm 
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it's 500 bucks for a black tiger shrimp...


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 10:44 pm 
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I would guess it is supposed to be for a pair as he has singles for euro 130


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:23 pm 
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no it,s an error..... it should be 49 euros ,i bought altums from this guy for around that price.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:37 pm 
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Ufff. So high price. Peter Hák´s young F3 altums cost some around 13 USD now - in size 3-4 cm in body high.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:38 pm 
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yes Jan i agree it,s still expensive and then to think the seller had 600 to sell at that moment ,if he sells them all, it will be quite a profit.
The problem is that i had to buy them from germany otherwise the shipping costs would have been even more expensive with airfreight.

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Does anybody think that there is a possibility of coming unstuck with Altum by combining different races in captive breeding, only to find that a few generations down the line we end up with infertile fish? I only surmise this thinking of the situation that has arisen with some apparently closely related killies, that quickly petered out when near identical fish from two close drainages were mated. They were infertile within a few generations, whereas fish from the same drainage would go on for years pairing between siblings. Thinking about it, this has not happened with Scalare, has it? Would DNA analysis give enough information to avoid (or predict) this scenario?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:29 am 
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rag wrote:
it's 500 bucks for a black tiger shrimp...

Not anymore it aint!
http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/auction.cgi?fwinverts&1293901815


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:04 am 
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Must be a risk Phill.
But only one way to find out, in the absence of clear genetic proof in advance!
Personally, I'd guess it's unlikely.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:39 pm 
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Agree with Alec. I don't have any true base to affirm so, but I have a feeling that some of those Asian Altum lines I am seeing are just not right. Don't think they will necesarilly become infertile down the line, but I would expect some variation from true Altum phenotype as F's go by.
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