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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:52 am 
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I lost 3 three oaks last year due to drowning. I saved a lot of the chipped stump wood for smoking meat. Any problem in using the chips as a tannin agent?


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I've never used the chips, instead the leaves are commonly used in blackwater brews, I have used oak leaves in the past.

Note that some hardwood barks (oak among them) contain strong phytochemicals that could have an adverse affect on your fish.

I successfully used for many years tropical hardwood branch pieces and leaves (Tabebuia sp.- AKA Lapacho or Pao de Arco, which is a very hard and dense wood, similar to the wood we see on Malaysian Driftwood) but a few years ago, I bought some pao d' arco inner bark and it was way to strong for the fish at the concentration I used (tannin effect barely noticeable).

So my advice, proceed with caution. Maybe chunks and pieces can work, but white oak bark has medicinal properties so be very careful.

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I am trying it on my domestic discus adding a little at a time to see how they react. I do have a pound of Rooibos Tea
that will be here this week and that is what I will use on the altums.

By the way the oak tea smells very good!


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DLFL wrote:
I am trying it on my domestic discus adding a little at a time to see how they react. I do have a pound of Rooibos Tea
that will be here this week and that is what I will use on the altums.

By the way the oak tea smells very good!


If it is aromatic and very pleasant smelling it could be due to the chemicals I am talking about.... have you tried catappa_

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Ed,
I do not have any catappa leaves as of yet. My Rooibos will be here this week. Should I use both on the Altums?


Dick


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Dick,

I can give you some catappa leaves to tie you over also.

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DLFL wrote:
Ed,
I do not have any catappa leaves as of yet. My Rooibos will be here this week. Should I use both on the Altums?


Dick


Yes, use enough of each to give the water a nice light whisky color... the color of Pat's water is just about right!

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If you use catappa leaves do you need to use the rooibos tea?


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DLFL wrote:
If you use catappa leaves do you need to use the rooibos tea?


Not necessarilly, but by combining, you can use less of each and obtain the benefits of their different properties... an all around more complete water from as far as enrichment goes.

When I have enough of what I like in inventory, I use a mix of catappa, rooibos, peat and discus trace. If I have a bottle of Kent or Tetra BW, I might put some of that into the mix also.

This said, for what you need, fin healing and skin benefit,s catappa is the best known and for many years used by betta breeders and gamers in Thailand.

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